Exactly, especially coming from people who used to call any slightly right-wing party 'Nazi', to cheer for actual Nazis, was pretty horrifying sight to observe.
Before the current conflict erupted the Neo-Nazi Ukrainian movement made an appearance in “What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy” is a 2015 Britishdocumentary about Niklas Frank and Horst von Wachter, the respective sons of Hans Frank and Otto Wächter
Posted before I could finish it: “What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy” a 2015 British documentary about Niklas Frank and Horst von Wachter, the respective sons of Hans Frank and Otto Wächter, revealed how alive Ukrainian Neo-Naziism had become. Towards the end of this documentary the two sons of Nazi leaders were at a Ukrainian nationalist ceremony in which the discovered remains of Ukrainian Galician Brigade SS troops were being re-buried with funeral observances. Grown grandson of Galician Brigade members were there wearing their grandfathers’ Waffen SS uniforms while others were wearing Swastikas. When the filmmakers revealed that Otto HORST Wächter was the son of the Nazi leader who was appointed to govern Western Ukraine and who organized most of the mass murders of Jews and Poles in the region suddenly the Ukrainians present started to accord Otto rock-star like status oo-ing and ah-ing over him. Sadly the younger Wächter ate it up relishing in their adulation. That marked the end of his friendship with Niklas Frank who utterly despised the work of their fathers and if the Nazis generally. If anyone gets a chance to watch this documentary the strength of the hold of the Nazi vision over the western Ukrainians is shockingly evident.
Interesting, but one problem with this theory is... why would a bunch of secret (or even maybe not so secret) Nazis let in a bunch of violent brown Islamists who want to take over the country themselves? Seems kind of counterproductive in the volume Europe is dealing with.
In the contrary, Muslims could be used by European neo Nazi rulers as a Shariah Guard to subdue European population who might not like a Fourth Reich. Muslims are Whtooray elite personal army which could be weaponized against local population. All fits.
It's nothing new also - you know right that many Muslims including Palestinians aligned with Hitler against Jews and Slavs? Nothing new under the sun.
Sure, but... what do they do when the Islamists inevitably turn on them, though? Let's say the most radical of Islam gets what it wants - annihilating Israel. Won't the west just be their next target?
If Francisco Gil White is correct the elites will simply make a nominal conversion to Islam. Look at that f—king Battenburg bastard Charles in England. He funded and entire institute for the promotion of Islamic doctrine at Oxford and when he was crowned he wanted the Archbishop to declare him “Defender of the FAITHS” rather than just the defender of the Christian faith. And his traitor uncle the Duke of Windsor (who was briefly King Edward VIII) was pals with Hitler and had to be moved to Jamaica during WWII since it was known the Nazi intended to re-install him as King of England in the event they succeeded in occupying Britain. And meanwhile the Irish Free State was pro-Nazi the same way that the current Irish Republic is pro-Palestinian.
Hitler had a very nice meeting with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin Husseini to whom he gave an Arabic language radio program to incite Muslim Arabs against Britain who had troops in North Africa and Iraq as well as the Palestine Mandate and Jordan. Husseini raised an entire Bosnian Muslim SS division to fight for Hitler. Hitler even expressed admiration for Islam as being both a militant and anti-Jewish religion. If Francisco Gil White is correct when the demographics become irreversible the European WEF will just become nominal Muslims the same way Constantine became Christian’s when he saw that the rise of Christianity in the Empire was unstoppable. These elites would simply recite the Shahada (confession of faith) and continue to rule while privately continuing to drink, gamble and engage in sexual immorality just as most of the Ottoman caliphs and their pre-Ottoman caliphs did. The decline of Christianity in post-modern Europe has left a spiritual void that Islam is ready to fill.
The Ottoman Sultans claimed the caliphate too. At the outbreak of WWI the Ottoman Sultan issued a declaration of Jihad against the Allies calling upon all Muslims to fight them. Fortunately the Muslim troops of the British Raj completely ignored the call to jihad.
In 1925 the Turkish Nationslist leader Atatürk announced the abolition of the Caliphate. That led the Islamists in Egypt to form the Muslim Brotherhood whose goal was (and remains) the re-establishment of the Caliphate.
I first time met a person who knows more on Islam than me, kudos. I'm aware of Ottoman Empire Tanzimat Reformation and subsequent Ataturk secularization but didn't know of caliphate and how it triggered Muslim Brotherhood appearance in Egypt…Islam is a true cancer indeed. Any attempt to reform it leads to such backlash that reform is doomed to fail…
The sight of the Canadian Parliament and Prime Minister Trudeau and of all people a Jewish Ukrainian Zelinski giving a standing ovation to a literal Ukrainian Nazi Who fought for Hitler and Germany......IS as telling as it is disgusting.
And that whole story about Canadian Freeland??? Maybe I have name wrong...? ...the story of how that WW2 Ukrainian Nazi got printing press stolen or "seized" from Jewish printers and given to her grandfather to run a Ukrainian Nazi Newspaper.....before he moved to Canada and lived a luxurious life.....
( I have to add I'm opposed to war and violence and don't endorse any war ...)
Yeah I fully understand you and I think it was Chrysta Freeland in Canada who is also a Nazi offspring.
Annalena Baerbock in Germany is a Nazi offspring too. Combine it with rapid militarization and crackdown on free speech, opposition parties and human rights in Europe, and all the pieces of the puzzle would come into place. Fourth Reich had already risen in Europe and they gaslight us on Russia boogieman and Orange Man bad. Incredible.
This is an intriguing thought. Terrifying, but intriguing. I had thought the money laundering, weapons industries profits, bioweapons labs on the Russian border, and some unhinged Ukrainian scold’s grudge (here’s looking at you, Victoria Nuland) were enough of an explanation. The downplaying of neo-Nazi support was necessitated to preserve the ability of war supporters to virtue signal. After all, one cannot be both a progressive and a Nazi, right? I believe you are on to something here. The Nazis never really disappeared.
Yeah, initially I thought the same - that it was mostly money-laundering and corruption, and Nazis were downplayed just not to spoil the virtue-signaling. Well, at most I thought it was also to bleed and weaken Russia and maybe also to facilitate global hunger and climate agenda because both Russia and Ukraine were biggest grain exporters, and their export was disrupted by war.
But the further it went, the more Nazis became to pop up everywhere, not just in Ukraine, and I don't think it's a coincidence. First this disturbing Canadian Nazi applause in 2023 and later I learned Canadian former minister Chrysta Freeland was a Nazi offspring.
But the breaking point for me was Annalena Baerbock, a bre German Foreign Minister and granddaughter of Wehrmacht officer Waldemar Baerbock, arguing to station German troops and military bases OUTSIDE of Germany. It switched something in my brain, and it all made sense.
Look also at rapid militarization in Europe now and Ursula von der Leyen who is a Nazi offspring too by the way wanting to steal European tax money to 'rearm Europe'. Look at dystopian crackdown on free speech, opposition parties and human rights in Europe. All to 'protect Europe from Russian threat'. Hitler's 1930s script is just right there.
If I'm correct, then US isn't the main bad guy here in the end of the day. Germany is.
I must say how Europe acted after Usa pulled out was a surprise, i had imagined they would back off a bit, but went full ahead
. Where even von der leyen had the Audacity to say they would steal our money to wage war - Germany of all should be pissed about USAs actions regarding NS2 which is breaking Germanys industry while forcing us to pay even more for energy - Now Trump seems to do the expected, to start attacking Iran, just as predicted. Which probably also will drive prices up, that we are moving into a massive economic downfall might make it pay able though, if you can keep a job.!! But yes most of Germanys politicians have a shady family history, how true that history is is a matter of evidence for me from now on - seems like history is to academia like genders -
Because most people are not Nazis, I believe there may be a small contingent that are fascist, but Most are normal people. I have been to various places in Ukraine, including Crimea, more than Alex has done. I know a Russian Lady who lives in Odessa who refutes what Alex says, and she is very anti Putin. I also knew a soldier in the Russian Army who was in Donbas since 2014, I don't know if he is still alive, he said the ethnic Russian Rebels there were a Mafia. I have worked with professionals in Ukraine, I taught them English. I know more about Ukraine than Alex ever could. Did you know that Gorbachev condemned Putin before he died age 91? I protected Gorbachev in London at an international meeting, I was Royalty Protection, I protected the Queen and others in adjacent buildings. Alex is the product of a brainwashed Russian childhood, he never grew out of it. I have heard Russians like him claim that they defeated Hitler single handed. I know a man born in Murmansk who knows nothing about the aid convoys we sent there during the War, erased from their history books.
All your argument is 'I knew someone who told me something'. I'm sorry but it's not am argument, it's a gossip.
I operate with data and facts, you operate with gossip. Actually being in Russia I was more supportive of Ukraine. It's after I looked at situation via lenses of Western propaganda I realized all the lies being told pf Ukraine to Western people, so you're mistaken one more time.
No I didn't have the jabs, I am too intelligent. I knew a soldier in the Russian Army based in Donbas soon after the Crimean Invasion, I know what he said about the ethnic Russian Rebels, he said they were a Mafia. And did you know that Kievrus was created by Vikings, 2,500 years ago, so not Slavic. The Western side of Ukraine was Poland, Poland went from the Baltic to the Black Sea, which is why so many in that region are Catholic not Orthodox. I am trying to improve your knowledge but I fear it is an impossible task. Your brain, the little that there is, has been indoctrinated, incapable of coherent thought.
More gossip. 'I knew someone who told me something'. Man, gossip isn't an argument, and someone's opinion isn't fact, when would you learn it and stop pestering us with your gossip?
Enough with your Ukrainian clownship, my patience isn't limitless. One more insult and you're blocked.
You can keep ignoring the facts and licking Nazi boots just because you know few good Ukrainians but other people don't let their personal bias to cloud their vision.
More gossip. I'm not interested in gossip and in what Elena or any other layman thinks or says, sorry.
I'm not interested in gossip. I'm interested in facts, and facts aren't on your or her or Ukrainian side, alas, and no amount of your gossip could change the facts.
Interesting Alex, gives a new perspective on Ukraine and the stupid war Obozo and Biden supported with billions of our taxpayer dollars.
Thanks. If I'm correct, it might be not that US fucked up Germany by cutting it off Russian gas but Germany played US up to restore its Nazi heritage.
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Absolutely! Hitler without a moustache.
I noticed the change in the Narrative, especially by those on 'the Left'; it was quite stark.
Exactly, especially coming from people who used to call any slightly right-wing party 'Nazi', to cheer for actual Nazis, was pretty horrifying sight to observe.
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Before the current conflict erupted the Neo-Nazi Ukrainian movement made an appearance in “What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy” is a 2015 Britishdocumentary about Niklas Frank and Horst von Wachter, the respective sons of Hans Frank and Otto Wächter
Posted before I could finish it: “What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy” a 2015 British documentary about Niklas Frank and Horst von Wachter, the respective sons of Hans Frank and Otto Wächter, revealed how alive Ukrainian Neo-Naziism had become. Towards the end of this documentary the two sons of Nazi leaders were at a Ukrainian nationalist ceremony in which the discovered remains of Ukrainian Galician Brigade SS troops were being re-buried with funeral observances. Grown grandson of Galician Brigade members were there wearing their grandfathers’ Waffen SS uniforms while others were wearing Swastikas. When the filmmakers revealed that Otto HORST Wächter was the son of the Nazi leader who was appointed to govern Western Ukraine and who organized most of the mass murders of Jews and Poles in the region suddenly the Ukrainians present started to accord Otto rock-star like status oo-ing and ah-ing over him. Sadly the younger Wächter ate it up relishing in their adulation. That marked the end of his friendship with Niklas Frank who utterly despised the work of their fathers and if the Nazis generally. If anyone gets a chance to watch this documentary the strength of the hold of the Nazi vision over the western Ukrainians is shockingly evident.
Thanks for information, I didn't actually know about this documentary!
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Interesting, but one problem with this theory is... why would a bunch of secret (or even maybe not so secret) Nazis let in a bunch of violent brown Islamists who want to take over the country themselves? Seems kind of counterproductive in the volume Europe is dealing with.
In the contrary, Muslims could be used by European neo Nazi rulers as a Shariah Guard to subdue European population who might not like a Fourth Reich. Muslims are Whtooray elite personal army which could be weaponized against local population. All fits.
It's nothing new also - you know right that many Muslims including Palestinians aligned with Hitler against Jews and Slavs? Nothing new under the sun.
Sure, but... what do they do when the Islamists inevitably turn on them, though? Let's say the most radical of Islam gets what it wants - annihilating Israel. Won't the west just be their next target?
If Francisco Gil White is correct the elites will simply make a nominal conversion to Islam. Look at that f—king Battenburg bastard Charles in England. He funded and entire institute for the promotion of Islamic doctrine at Oxford and when he was crowned he wanted the Archbishop to declare him “Defender of the FAITHS” rather than just the defender of the Christian faith. And his traitor uncle the Duke of Windsor (who was briefly King Edward VIII) was pals with Hitler and had to be moved to Jamaica during WWII since it was known the Nazi intended to re-install him as King of England in the event they succeeded in occupying Britain. And meanwhile the Irish Free State was pro-Nazi the same way that the current Irish Republic is pro-Palestinian.
Again good and great points. Could you give me link to this Francisco Gil White works?
But European dumb population who now cheers both its Nazification and Islamization will be forced to convert to Islam for real though.
I'm not sure they think so far ahead. They perhaps underestimate Islam themselves or hope they could control everyone via their fakeccines and shit.
But I agree with you - Muslims would eventually turn on them. They're so rigid that they will never adapt and never accept anything but Islam.
Hitler had a very nice meeting with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin Husseini to whom he gave an Arabic language radio program to incite Muslim Arabs against Britain who had troops in North Africa and Iraq as well as the Palestine Mandate and Jordan. Husseini raised an entire Bosnian Muslim SS division to fight for Hitler. Hitler even expressed admiration for Islam as being both a militant and anti-Jewish religion. If Francisco Gil White is correct when the demographics become irreversible the European WEF will just become nominal Muslims the same way Constantine became Christian’s when he saw that the rise of Christianity in the Empire was unstoppable. These elites would simply recite the Shahada (confession of faith) and continue to rule while privately continuing to drink, gamble and engage in sexual immorality just as most of the Ottoman caliphs and their pre-Ottoman caliphs did. The decline of Christianity in post-modern Europe has left a spiritual void that Islam is ready to fill.
Small correction - Ottoman Empire had sultans, Arab Caliphate had caliphs,otherwise agree.
And you made my point of Nazi and Muslim unholy alliance even stronger, kudos!
The Ottoman Sultans claimed the caliphate too. At the outbreak of WWI the Ottoman Sultan issued a declaration of Jihad against the Allies calling upon all Muslims to fight them. Fortunately the Muslim troops of the British Raj completely ignored the call to jihad.
In 1925 the Turkish Nationslist leader Atatürk announced the abolition of the Caliphate. That led the Islamists in Egypt to form the Muslim Brotherhood whose goal was (and remains) the re-establishment of the Caliphate.
I first time met a person who knows more on Islam than me, kudos. I'm aware of Ottoman Empire Tanzimat Reformation and subsequent Ataturk secularization but didn't know of caliphate and how it triggered Muslim Brotherhood appearance in Egypt…Islam is a true cancer indeed. Any attempt to reform it leads to such backlash that reform is doomed to fail…
Oh I didn't know that, thanks.
https://open.substack.com/pub/franciscogilwhite?r=j21oc&utm_medium=ios
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I think that news collage says a lot.
The sight of the Canadian Parliament and Prime Minister Trudeau and of all people a Jewish Ukrainian Zelinski giving a standing ovation to a literal Ukrainian Nazi Who fought for Hitler and Germany......IS as telling as it is disgusting.
And that whole story about Canadian Freeland??? Maybe I have name wrong...? ...the story of how that WW2 Ukrainian Nazi got printing press stolen or "seized" from Jewish printers and given to her grandfather to run a Ukrainian Nazi Newspaper.....before he moved to Canada and lived a luxurious life.....
( I have to add I'm opposed to war and violence and don't endorse any war ...)
Yeah I fully understand you and I think it was Chrysta Freeland in Canada who is also a Nazi offspring.
Annalena Baerbock in Germany is a Nazi offspring too. Combine it with rapid militarization and crackdown on free speech, opposition parties and human rights in Europe, and all the pieces of the puzzle would come into place. Fourth Reich had already risen in Europe and they gaslight us on Russia boogieman and Orange Man bad. Incredible.
While all this is going on, people may be forgetting China is the enemy of the world. Not Russia.
And Islam.
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This is an intriguing thought. Terrifying, but intriguing. I had thought the money laundering, weapons industries profits, bioweapons labs on the Russian border, and some unhinged Ukrainian scold’s grudge (here’s looking at you, Victoria Nuland) were enough of an explanation. The downplaying of neo-Nazi support was necessitated to preserve the ability of war supporters to virtue signal. After all, one cannot be both a progressive and a Nazi, right? I believe you are on to something here. The Nazis never really disappeared.
Yeah, initially I thought the same - that it was mostly money-laundering and corruption, and Nazis were downplayed just not to spoil the virtue-signaling. Well, at most I thought it was also to bleed and weaken Russia and maybe also to facilitate global hunger and climate agenda because both Russia and Ukraine were biggest grain exporters, and their export was disrupted by war.
But the further it went, the more Nazis became to pop up everywhere, not just in Ukraine, and I don't think it's a coincidence. First this disturbing Canadian Nazi applause in 2023 and later I learned Canadian former minister Chrysta Freeland was a Nazi offspring.
But the breaking point for me was Annalena Baerbock, a bre German Foreign Minister and granddaughter of Wehrmacht officer Waldemar Baerbock, arguing to station German troops and military bases OUTSIDE of Germany. It switched something in my brain, and it all made sense.
Look also at rapid militarization in Europe now and Ursula von der Leyen who is a Nazi offspring too by the way wanting to steal European tax money to 'rearm Europe'. Look at dystopian crackdown on free speech, opposition parties and human rights in Europe. All to 'protect Europe from Russian threat'. Hitler's 1930s script is just right there.
If I'm correct, then US isn't the main bad guy here in the end of the day. Germany is.
It does all fit, and I, too, found the talk of re-arming Europe hair raising.
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I must say how Europe acted after Usa pulled out was a surprise, i had imagined they would back off a bit, but went full ahead
. Where even von der leyen had the Audacity to say they would steal our money to wage war - Germany of all should be pissed about USAs actions regarding NS2 which is breaking Germanys industry while forcing us to pay even more for energy - Now Trump seems to do the expected, to start attacking Iran, just as predicted. Which probably also will drive prices up, that we are moving into a massive economic downfall might make it pay able though, if you can keep a job.!! But yes most of Germanys politicians have a shady family history, how true that history is is a matter of evidence for me from now on - seems like history is to academia like genders -
For me - i just like Russia.
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Very low even on your low level.
No, she isn't, you have zero proofs she is, but you still believe her just because you like her. It's SO low and SO dumb of you.
Because most people are not Nazis, I believe there may be a small contingent that are fascist, but Most are normal people. I have been to various places in Ukraine, including Crimea, more than Alex has done. I know a Russian Lady who lives in Odessa who refutes what Alex says, and she is very anti Putin. I also knew a soldier in the Russian Army who was in Donbas since 2014, I don't know if he is still alive, he said the ethnic Russian Rebels there were a Mafia. I have worked with professionals in Ukraine, I taught them English. I know more about Ukraine than Alex ever could. Did you know that Gorbachev condemned Putin before he died age 91? I protected Gorbachev in London at an international meeting, I was Royalty Protection, I protected the Queen and others in adjacent buildings. Alex is the product of a brainwashed Russian childhood, he never grew out of it. I have heard Russians like him claim that they defeated Hitler single handed. I know a man born in Murmansk who knows nothing about the aid convoys we sent there during the War, erased from their history books.
All your argument is 'I knew someone who told me something'. I'm sorry but it's not am argument, it's a gossip.
I operate with data and facts, you operate with gossip. Actually being in Russia I was more supportive of Ukraine. It's after I looked at situation via lenses of Western propaganda I realized all the lies being told pf Ukraine to Western people, so you're mistaken one more time.
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No I didn't have the jabs, I am too intelligent. I knew a soldier in the Russian Army based in Donbas soon after the Crimean Invasion, I know what he said about the ethnic Russian Rebels, he said they were a Mafia. And did you know that Kievrus was created by Vikings, 2,500 years ago, so not Slavic. The Western side of Ukraine was Poland, Poland went from the Baltic to the Black Sea, which is why so many in that region are Catholic not Orthodox. I am trying to improve your knowledge but I fear it is an impossible task. Your brain, the little that there is, has been indoctrinated, incapable of coherent thought.
More gossip. 'I knew someone who told me something'. Man, gossip isn't an argument, and someone's opinion isn't fact, when would you learn it and stop pestering us with your gossip?
So a soldier in Donbas knows less than you, an armchair warrior.
Ofc, he doesn't have an access to data and facts and is just a tool of the corrupt regimes washing war.
Whose statistics do you have access to, Putin's??? It sounds like it.
Ofc it sounds like it to you who has nothing but pro ZelenSSky gossip🤡
I think a Russian soldier on the ground knows far more than you. You are an armchair warrior who knows nothing.
More gossip, sigh. You're boring.
You are mad.
Enough with your Ukrainian clownship, my patience isn't limitless. One more insult and you're blocked.
You can keep ignoring the facts and licking Nazi boots just because you know few good Ukrainians but other people don't let their personal bias to cloud their vision.
"other people don't let their personal bias to cloud their vision." You do.
Nope, I'm judging based on facts not based on my Ukrainian or Russian friends' opinions.
Explain. ? Why is he mad?
I'm not mad. This guy is just a rabid Ukrainian supporter and can't accept a bitter truth and ugly facts on Ukraine.
You are when it comes to Ukraine.
All your argument is just gossip - ‘someone told you something’.
I'm not listening to gossip, I operate with data and facts.
Elena from St Petersburg says you are taking rubbish.
More gossip. I'm not interested in gossip and in what Elena or any other layman thinks or says, sorry.
I'm not interested in gossip. I'm interested in facts, and facts aren't on your or her or Ukrainian side, alas, and no amount of your gossip could change the facts.
Did you get my message, I can’t see it?
I just responded to you.